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Post by cinnamon on Jul 6, 2011 13:01:22 GMT -5
yes I agree too.
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Post by joewiggs on Jul 11, 2011 17:50:21 GMT -5
That's the wonder of the word! Without it our choices in life about anything would certainly be limited!
Cinnamon, I do not intent any disrespect toward Tom and the General at all. When it comes to bravery, both men were fine examples to follow. However, if the theory is true that Tom dispatched the General, he would only have done so because his brother was mortally wounded and could not have survived under any foreseen circumstances.
Both men were astute enough to be aware of the realties of falling into the hands of the warriors while still alive.
Actually, my primary reasons for thinking as I do are two (2) in number.
1) Yellow Nose was extremely impressed by the courage of the soldier he faced. He believed it to have been an honor to face such a stalwart foe. More importantly, he acknowledged the "tears" in the soldiers eyes but, distinguished these tears from those they may have come about due to fear. He said that his advasary showed, "no sign of fear." Further, he was convinced that to challenge this soldier would bring great honor to him and, so he did.
Tom was the only soldier (on both sides) to win two Silver Stars. We need not address his courage any further. What act could have have brought "tears" to such a courageous, hard nose, gutsy, warrior such as he during battle?
2nd.) Why was the issue about the absence of powder burns upon the body of Custer brought up in the first place?
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Post by Cutter on Jul 13, 2011 8:20:16 GMT -5
You do mean 2 CMH's, right Joe?
The story line of GAC being badly wounded at the river and brought up the hill sure is something. More so that the amount of irony of him being killed by the one who loved him the most after Libbie. Hell of a poetic thought.
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Post by joewiggs on Jul 13, 2011 20:46:57 GMT -5
I stand corrected Cutter! ;D You are sooooo correct when you pointed out the "irony" of Custer's wounding at the ford only to meet his final end at the hands of his loving brother. The thought of that happening is so monumentally sad.  |
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Post by cinnamon on Jul 15, 2011 1:48:17 GMT -5
"It has been theorized by some that Autie was too experienced and competent to have deployed his men in such a manner, and that he must have been killed early in the fight. However, the shell casings from his own gun that were found under his body are compelling evidence that he was still fighting near the end." Brice Custer |
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Post by Cutter on Jul 15, 2011 12:08:10 GMT -5
The deployment would make sense in a few scenarios. Custer put his trusted commanders to watch his 6 and to look for Benteen while he lead the charge into the village to intimidate and disrupt the enemy. As far as the shell cases under GAC's body, that doesn't necessarily mean he himself fired the weapon, nor does it mean the location of the body is where he died.
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Post by cinnamon on Jul 16, 2011 6:44:50 GMT -5
Nothing necessarily means nothing cutter. But as far as we always did, and as e.g. we do with Isaiah Dorman, shells under the body are a sign of the fight that man did. Custer too, deserves this treatment. When a man shot the shell cases falls and when they found him , they found him with shell cases under the body.
Remember also that he was found laying across Sgt Vickory the regimental color bearer and trumpeter Voss. All the staff was at hand too. A chief near the chief trumpeter and the color bearer to me means just that the chief was dying still fighting and still trying to keep his command united. His first mention for bravery at Bull Run was given to him just for this reason: his ability to keep his men united. And Cutter...soldiers had no time to move anything up there, because they were too busy shooting their last breath or bullet.
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Post by Cutter on Jul 16, 2011 11:40:07 GMT -5
Well said cinnamon. I merely point out that sometimes things are not as they seem. The chaos on LSH would make any post mortem evidence subject to a broad range of interpretations.
As for GAC's wounds, the head wound I would guess would be fatal immediately, of at the very least render him unconscious. The chest wound would have been fatal as well, but would not have totally incampacitated him immediately.
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Post by cinnamon on Jul 16, 2011 14:39:54 GMT -5
It's exactly what I says myself Cutter.
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Post by joewiggs on Jul 16, 2011 16:36:13 GMT -5
"It has been theorized by some that Autie was too experienced and competent to have deployed his men in such a manner, and that he must have been killed early in the fight. However, the shell casings from his own gun that were found under his body are compelling evidence that he was still fighting near the end." Brice Custer I find no fault with Custer's deployment style and, with the odds he was facing, a bold thrust seemingly from numerous directions may have won the day for his command. Have you noticed that some theorists are convinced that Custer would never have divided his men in the manner that he did therefore, he must have been knocked out of action earlier in the battle. ergo, without his leadership the command was destined for slaughter. I wholeheartedly disagree with that theory and feel that any military thrusts from different directions towards a target consisting of women and children (as well as fighters who are extremely concerned for their families) may be thrown into a panic and deep consternation rendering them militarily helpless. Unfortunately, in this scenario, Reno panicked and was unable to hold up his end of the table. As a result, Reno's men became overwhelmed with the contagiousness of fear which is always precipitated by poor leadership. The probability that Custer died as you described is more probable than any other thesis I have come across. Good job! |
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Post by whitebull on Jul 16, 2011 18:25:54 GMT -5
Well said cinnamon. I merely point out that sometimes things are not as they seem. The chaos on LSH would make any post mortem evidence subject to a broad range of interpretations. As for GAC's wounds, the head wound I would guess would be fatal immediately, of at the very least render him unconscious. The chest wound would have been fatal as well, but would not have totally incampacitated him immediately. Very well put! God knows what all could have happened in the "chaos" on LSH but I betcha it was as bad as anything you can imagine! |
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Post by Cutter on Jul 16, 2011 23:30:23 GMT -5
Trying out my new handy dandy wizz bang
phone.
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Post by cinnamon on Jul 17, 2011 6:19:33 GMT -5
The probability that Custer died as you described is more probable than any other thesis I have come across. Good job!Well my friend, Joe, we told each other a story about the hill, do you remember? I still believe that truth. |
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Post by Cutter on Jul 17, 2011 9:49:40 GMT -5
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Post by cinnamon on Jul 17, 2011 10:13:01 GMT -5
it stills reports suicide committed by a right handed on the left side. useful if taken with salt - much salt, as the poutpourri is served along with their own opinions. Read Hardorrf and you'll see that other indians didn't claim to have seen soldiers stop so much time as White cow claims, e.g.
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