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Post by strange on Aug 14, 2011 18:08:44 GMT -5
I was listening to some documentaries about the Titanic and I see a lot of similar situations and behaviours that we might have seen at the Battle of Little Bighorn. Its all the more cowardly for the people handling the Titanic situation in the sense that they had hours and hours to prepare and react and organize and no one was shooting at them!
Also in both scenarios, people were afraid to go back for the survivors out of fear that either the suction of the sinking ship would pull them under (which actually didn't end up happening. The Survivors said that the last of the ship was able to sink down very smoothly and they were able to step into the water from the last tip of the submerging ship all almost without getting their heads wet for some), or that the indians would overrun them liek the others (and yet Godfrey can repel them with one skirmish line as wiggs and Keogh have told me), or that (again with the Titanic) some of the people might panic and try to overrun the boats.
By the way, rather than being a movie critic, I tend to like to comment on movies about history. Cameron's Titanic falsely has the ship going down with suction, thus sorta adding credence to the cowards who wouldn't go back for survivors, he also has tons of ship people panicking even though most of them were actually very easy going and orderly because most had faith in the ship's resilience or they believed they would quickly be rescued by another vessel (and a light was spotted near them but mysteriously vanished). None would have really panicked until they all had to start freezing to death in the water.
Many of the water survivors seem to be officers and that makes me think that they were either just especially more trained, or that maybe darker situations may have occurred that we don't know about, like maybe them taking the last ship for themselves, or, with guns, subduing others from getting in their way. But no one knows, and it may be an injustice to speculate without having any way to know.
What do you guys think?
Another thing that bugs me about the Titanic film is the promoting of Smoking, as it does very prominently and rather often. Its also a bit recurring in all of Cameron's movies. I'm a happy anti smoker of coarse, but I don't get fluffed about seeing it in the movies unless its so blatantly promoted as in Titanic.
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Post by joewiggs on Aug 14, 2011 18:28:21 GMT -5
What an interesting post Dr. Strange, you pointed out several points that I new nothing about. I have always pondered what to me was a bizarre incident, the band playing music while the ship sank! How is that possible? I would have been screaming like the dickens in the same situation. I, until this very moment, believed that any person or small craft near a sinking liner could be sucked down into the depths of the ocean as well. I was shocked to learn otherwise.  Here's a theory of mine that may,possibly, explain the bands actions. I believe you to be absolutely correct with a slight variation. The passenger's faith in the ship's prowess convinced most of them that things would be all right. All thought water was being taken on, the ship would not sink. Imagine the dreadful horror when the ship began to list, bodies began rolling on deck, and the bow began to point to the stars! I would imagine that the screams, at that point, became horrendously loud and heart breaking. I would also thin that the coldness of the sea would have immediately sapped the will to struggle by those mournful, lost souls. You've peaked my interest in this event and so I'm going to do some quick research and see what I can come up with. thank you fro an intriguing and insightful post! |
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Post by stumblingbear on Aug 14, 2011 18:45:19 GMT -5
I'll be the first to admit that I do not know as much about the titanic as I should. The sadness of so many people losing their lives is awful. Is it true that the poorer classes were locked in their berths on the lower level and had no chance to get out? I hope to high heaven that this was not the case!  |
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Post by strange on Aug 14, 2011 19:50:12 GMT -5
I'll be the first to admit that I do not know as much about the titanic as I should. The sadness of so many people losing their lives is awful. Is it true that the poorer classes were locked in their berths on the lower level and had no chance to get out? I hope to high heaven that this was not the case! For third class, yes. The crewmen didn't know there were not enough lifeboats and just assumed and followed orders that it would be okay to let them wait apparently. There was also a great difficulty at communicating with the immigrants who didn't speak English. The best documentary I ever saw is the A&E one (two parts) which can be seen on youtube (for now) right here... www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESuceYnFQgQ . That documentary is much better than the ones where James Cameron goes back to the wreckage over and over again with his fancy little machines, and talking about the little machines takes up more time than discussing the actual boat and the events which transpired. A&E's is the best, its all history accounts and interviews. |
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Post by strange on Aug 14, 2011 20:03:50 GMT -5
What an interesting post Dr. Strange, you pointed out several points that I new nothing about. I have always pondered what to me was a bizarre incident, the band playing music while the ship sank! How is that possible? I would have been screaming like the dickens in the same situation. I, until this very moment, believed that any person or small craft near a sinking liner could be sucked down into the depths of the ocean as well. I was shocked to learn otherwise. Here's a theory of mine that may,possibly, explain the bands actions. I believe you to be absolutely correct with a slight variation. The passenger's faith in the ship's prowess convinced most of them that things would be all right. All thought water was being taken on, the ship would not sink. Imagine the dreadful horror when the ship began to list, bodies began rolling on deck, and the bow began to point to the stars! I would imagine that the screams, at that point, became horrendously loud and heart breaking. I would also thin that the coldness of the sea would have immediately sapped the will to struggle by those mournful, lost souls. You've peaked my interest in this event and so I'm going to do some quick research and see what I can come up with. thank you fro an intriguing and insightful post! Remember to watch this www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESuceYnFQgQ . I know I'm pasting that link again but its the best documentary on it. I wouldn't be surprised if the band had been playing for as long as physically possible, they didn't have much of anything else to do and I bet they might have enjoyed soothing any one of the remaining in he best they can while they could. It was interesting to revisit this because I had just started to ween myself from believing in curses, but it seems like every screwy possible thing that could have gone wrong with the ship DID indeed go wrong and so many things could have been avoided if just a few things had been different. And its two other sister vessels, The Britannica and the Olympian, seem to have also suffered bad luck and peculiar coincidence particularly with one of the "stewardess" women who survived all three ships and their disasters or close calls. But apparently to sum up here.... the ice berg was a freaky bluish one rather than a more visible white ice berg. The waters were more still, making it harder to see the waves crashing on the ice as is usually the distant giveaway of ice bergs. The watchman's binoculars were misplaced, apparently locked away because some ship officer had been transferred and forgot to give any one his key and the binoculars. The ship is supposed to hold tons of water and still stay afloat, but the berg chipped just one or two more compartments than the ship can take. Stopping the engines apparently made it HARDER to turn the ship. The ship may have stood afloat if it had struck the ice berg head on, it was not as fortified to the side because no one expected it to be struck to the side! The passengers and crew didn't do enough for themselves because so many of them believed that help was on the way or that the ship might pull through or not go down as fast. There weren't enough lifeboats and the lifeboats they had were not filled full enough!!! And then 2 sister ships either sank or came very close to sinking. Smells rather cursish to me, no matter what the skeptics may think. |
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Post by Cutter on Aug 14, 2011 22:19:52 GMT -5
I always thought it would be fitting and cool that if GAC survived Lbh, he and Libbie would have been on the Titanic. Indians or iceburgs.
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Post by strange on Aug 14, 2011 23:38:36 GMT -5
I always thought it would be fitting and cool that if GAC survived Lbh, he and Libbie would have been on the Titanic. Indians or iceburgs. Lets sell that to James Cameron, he's a desperate man! |
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Post by joewiggs on Aug 16, 2011 9:16:44 GMT -5
Dr. Strange, thanks a lot for the link. I believe you to be correct regarding the possibility of a "curse." How could so many things go so wrong at just the right time to create a disaster of such magnitude is beyond the scope of my limited imagination! Just unbelievably sad. |
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Post by joewiggs on Aug 16, 2011 9:25:18 GMT -5
I always thought it would be fitting and cool that if GAC survived Lbh, he and Libbie would have been on the Titanic. Indians or iceburgs. Now this is one incredible proposition! Imagine this scenario, Custer barely survives his injuries. Benteen and Reno are found guilty of malfeasance of duty in a Court martial a short time after the battle. His honor redeemed, Custer, and Libby, opt for an ocean cruise in hopes of putting the horror of the battle, the death of his favorite brother and comrades behind them. Two days out to sea, the placid water illuminated by the light of a silvery moon, Libby pressed within the folds of her husband's loving arms softly utters: "Autie, want a beautiful blue ice burg shining eerily in the night! |
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Post by strange on Aug 19, 2011 0:23:26 GMT -5
Were Custer to be on the Titanic, he'd probably be traveling first or second class and looking a little like this... Attachments:
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Post by Cutter on Aug 19, 2011 12:01:54 GMT -5
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Post by joewiggs on Aug 19, 2011 19:45:55 GMT -5
Were Custer to be on the Titanic, he'd probably be traveling first or second class and looking a little like this... Absolutely great! A wonderful rendition of Custer weeping as though Libbie, somehow, was no longer with him. |
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Post by whitebull on Nov 25, 2011 20:54:07 GMT -5
Were Custer to be on the Titanic, he'd probably be traveling first or second class and looking a little like this... I just found this and I must say....damn good partner! |
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Post by joewiggs on May 6, 2012 17:29:32 GMT -5
It has certainly been awhile but, I have revisited this section because I simply can not avoid it. I believe Dr. Strange was correct when he hinted at the possibility that the liner was somehow cursed. Every possible thing that could go wrong went wrong that night. Perhaps bad Karma was responsible for this tragedy. The rich and famous were housed in the finest of quarters while the poor and down trodden were placed in squatters quarters. Many of the privileged managed to be save. I would venture to guess that none of the poor were as fortunate. Of course, the combined death of the poor as well as the rich does not make for a lesson in what happens when the powerful step upon the souls of the little people and crush them in the process;more poor died than the rich. I just don't get it  Where was God that night? |
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Post by whitebull on May 12, 2012 19:36:05 GMT -5
Whenever a real tragic event happens we try to understand why it happened. If we are protected by God, how does he allow bad things to happen? We don't know and maybe we were not meant to know. Maybe there is a fantastic plan that we just don't understand and were never meant to understand. I don't know.
All I know is that there must be a guiding light that leads the way for all of us. Otherwise, life is to scary to face.
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Where was God that night?