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Post by tbw on Jan 8, 2011 13:06:50 GMT -5
There is no suspect when another person or entity uses profiling. A crime doesn't have to be committed for someone, anyone to use it. When any person, whether an official or not detains and questions someone - anyone (everyone is a member of a racial group) because, they and they alone believe a crime was committed, that is profiling. When we allow individual people police powers - carte blanch, everyone will be subject to to prove their Identity without review at any time. It could happen to you, your mother, sister, your children or grandchildren, and how is that to be proven, or granted, even morally, ethically right by constitutional standards. Identity recognition is profiling. Taking one factor and extrapolating from there. For example: If you heard that a murderer was on the loose in your neighborhood and the description was a white man in his late 30's that you would personally racially profile as you drove or walked, run or even mowed your lawn or was engaged in some other activity around your neighborhood. If anyone person suggested that you should be checking everyone in your neighborhood out, even your own neighbors because of the same similarities in look, you would think them nuts. The point being; if you or anyone is looking for a suspect in a crime, that's one thing, but to simply cast any kind of profiling net to see what you can catch, then that is just plain wrong; because profiling doesn't include looking for a suspect who has committed any crime and who's description includes any race, without exclusion. Profiling assumes that "everyone" with similar attributes is suspect of a crime and then attempts to match that person to a specific crime. Many law enforcement people take this profiling business home with them, and I feel sorry for them because they are really wasting their energy and other peoples time on their own miserable hate and fear, which is what it turns into when initiated on a personal level. The term "racial" has been attached to the description of profiling, but the question concerning that is: If its not about race for Whites, but only for other racial groups, how constitutional is that when the Constitution specifies that "all men are created equal..."?
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Post by cinnamon on Jan 8, 2011 17:05:43 GMT -5
you're plain right.
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Post by tbw on Jan 9, 2011 9:25:28 GMT -5
Thanks cinnamon,
Most people, I think, don't have a clue as to what it is. But if any of their hate based upon fear suspicions was ever to go to court, they would lose. And, if any profiling case ever hits the Supreme Court, they would have no recourse but to declare it unconstitutional. Any provision to allow its use in this country would chip away at our freedoms and our rights as granted by the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
The best and most clear case of profiling I have ever witnessed, and it wasn't, quote "racial" was displayed in a movie that most if not all people are familiar with. It was about a Sheriff who profiled a Vietnam vet. That vet had committed no crime. He was merely traveling through that Sheriff's town and had planned on stopping only for a bite to eat, perhaps to clean up and move on. The Sheriff for some reason, not fully explained in the movie, profiled him with hate and fear - suspicion and escorted him from one end of the town to the other, telling him to move on. When he didn't, the Sheriff arrested him on trumped up charges, and the immediate cause of those charges was because of the Sheriff's profiling in the first place. The movie? Rambo. The actor playing the Sheriff, Brian Dennehey. I still cringe when I see that movie and that Sheriff's profiling, and everyone who see's that movie, I'm sure, have the same feelings I do when the viewed it.
There is a vast difference in the way Law Enforcement profiles people who have committed an actual crime and someone who has not committed one. They know, as do prosecutors and Judges alike, what they cannot do and will not do with people Police arrest on mere hate based upon fear & suspicion charges without any actual evidence to present in such a case. Case in point, that Sheriff in Rambo.
What a lot of people also fail to realize, is that only Police States have ever allowed their Law enforcement and Military to summarily execute judgment on its citizens because of hate (whatever it is based upon) and fear - suspicion (whatever it is based upon). Hitlers Germany was one of those who allowed this, and many people, even their own, who were not Jews, were arrested, taken out by those who arrested them and summarily executed by the Gestapo without any review what-so-ever. What the real and present danger is to our nation is: If it is practiced and accepted by the general public, in whatever name, be it national security or some other false charge, we, this nation will go down the same road as Hitlers Germany, Mussolini's Italy, Stalin's Soviet Union, Pol Pot's Cambodia and the long list of other nations that have practiced it. It has nothing to do with race in most instance, although it can be and has been practiced, most cases, throughout history, are merely based upon hate, fear and suspicion, that's all they ever needed to justify their words and actions.
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Post by strange on Jan 9, 2011 11:59:12 GMT -5
Ah, Rambo, great to see some one mentioning the significance of it. Stallone can be a very considerate and thoughtful person and thats why he gets to the meat of things in movies like this. The Rambo villain was originally switched the other way around and the Sheriff was supposed to be the "good guy" but I'm glad Stallone had the sensibilities to pull it this way instead.
I concur.
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