I hear tell....

[stumblingbear]

If I understand you right, the reason so many people blame Custer for what happened was to justify (in their minds) how and the "why" of how lowly savages could beat the "white" soldiers.

I don't know how true this may be. I do remember in Psych. #101 (many years ago) that it becomes much easier to mis-use, rob, and kill another human being when that human is regarded inferior to those in power.

It seems Custer was left holding the bag when the survivers became closed mouth about what happened.

[whitebull]

Come to think of it, Sand Creek was just a come uppance for some cheeky Indians that needed to be punished even though Indian women and kids were slaughtered! For the most part, America didn't seem to get to up set about it.

When the Indians did the same thing at the Little Big Horn, they were savages, heathens, animals...etc. So the question is how cum a bunch of mental midgits were able to out fight and out think a bunch of good ole Americans?

Here's what I come up with....When one group has the power, they can not be beaten in any battle unless a traitor, dummy, jerk, is in charge.

When the 7th. lost, guest who was fit with the bill?

[strange]

Jun 21, 2013 19:04:05 GMT -5 whitebull said:

Come to think of it, Sand Creek was just a come uppance for some cheeky Indians that needed to be punished even though Indian women and kids were slaughtered! For the most part, America didn't seem to get to up set about it.

When the Indians did the same thing at the Little Big Horn, they were savages, heathens, animals...etc. So the question is how cum a bunch of mental midgits were able to out fight and out think a bunch of good ole Americans?

Here's what I come up with....When one group has the power, they can not be beaten in any battle unless a traitor, dummy, jerk, is in charge.

When the 7th. lost, guest who was fit with the bill?

Chivington was brought on board to destroy and hired by Governor Evans to do so. Major Wynkoop was suppose to shoot Indians on sight and he disobeyed orders by speaking with Black Kettle and complicating the situation further.

[whitebull]

Thanks Strange. It's a bad pill to swollow when you get in trouble for not shooting down woman and children! Poor Major Wynkoop, I bet he was looked down on by his friends for trying to do the right think.

[joewiggs]

Jun 21, 2013 20:44:02 GMT -5 strange said:

Jun 21, 2013 19:04:05 GMT -5 whitebull said:

Come to think of it, Sand Creek was just a come uppance for some cheeky Indians that needed to be punished even though Indian women and kids were slaughtered! For the most part, America didn't seem to get to up set about it.

When the Indians did the same thing at the Little Big Horn, they were savages, heathens, animals...etc. So the question is how cum a bunch of mental midgits were able to out fight and out think a bunch of good ole Americans?

Here's what I come up with....When one group has the power, they can not be beaten in any battle unless a traitor, dummy, jerk, is in charge.

When the 7th. lost, guest who was fit with the bill?

Chivington was brought on board to destroy and hired by Governor Evans to do so. Major Wynkoop was suppose to shoot Indians on sight and he disobeyed orders by speaking with Black Kettle and complicating the situation further.

The good Major never received credit for his humane efforts to hinder such a barbaric act by Evans and chivington. Thanks Dr. Strance for bring this fact to the forum's attention!

[joewiggs]

"The entire Custer story has been surrounded in mystery and I recall an elderly Colonel telling me once of a story that used to circulate in army circles that there were men who knew an unpublished truth about the story, but who were pledged never to reveal it."

--Ronald Reagan to John A. Minion, July 15, 1965
Page 330, Touched by Fire, Louise Barnett

[whitebull]

The story is, bottom line, the cavalry got their butts handed to them. Even if there was exaggeration about the amount of Indians there were still enough of them to get the job done. The master minds who came up with the "master plan" to meet the Indians came out of the whole mess with their shorts clean leaving the others to hold the bag.

Things like this have been going on for hundred of years ans we keep right on trying to figure hings out which, I suppose, is the way of the world.

What makes this battle live on and on is that no one really knows what happened so the question as to what did actually happen is open to all kinds of "what-ifs."

I'm betting that Custer's men did not fight well at all. I'm betting that no matter how many Indians were killed, that number saved Reno because the Indians were in no hurry to lose any more people.