Mistreated Officers

[strange]

I wanted to start up a thread and discussion about officers of the 7th who may have been mistreated. Officers like this who spring to mind as of late as well as before are people to the rhythm of guys like De Rudio, McIntosh, etc. Who may have gotten on people's nerves due to their ethnic backgrounds or awkward pasts.

I'm going through some interviews that I've conducted with people and I came across an interesting thing about people getting their horses taken when soldiers were being abandoned int he timber, and De Rudio may have been one of these. If so, is there any possibility that someone intentionally took his horse?

[tbw]

Dec 11, 2011 2:47:05 GMT -5 strange said:

I wanted to start up a thread and discussion about officers of the 7th who may have been mistreated. Officers like this who spring to mind as of late as well as before are people to the rhythm of guys like De Rudio, McIntosh, etc. Who may have gotten on people's nerves due to their ethnic backgrounds or awkward pasts.

I'm going through some interviews that I've conducted with people and I came across an interesting thing about people getting their horses taken when soldiers were being abandoned int he timber, and De Rudio may have been one of these. If so, is there any possibility that someone intentionally took his horse?

I suppose it could have happened. You have to remember it wasn't all that long ago that the black American soldiers were treated like the lowest caste, and that was during WWII. And I think it true of all people, whatever era, that they could look back and say, they grew up in an ignorant and unenlightened times. But there are or were significant differences. For example the difference between growing up in 1967 from growing up in 1867 might be dramatically demonstrated by the fact that they lived by and with a rifle in their hands every day of their life and I didn't.

Taking this just a little further I don't think is all that difficult to do.
If somebody was retarded or a little on the unintelligent side, that person was the butt of many jokes and pranks, nearly everyone laughing mean spiritedly at their affliction. And I can remember this, not because I practiced anything of the kind, but knew of others who did as I grew up. Something that just isn't done today thank God. But When you think of it and push this back a little to what Benteen said of Martin at the COI, I think it becomes abundantly clear that if they didn't speak 'so good a English' or what might have been considered retarded, but wasn't, what might have been regarded as unintelligent, but wasn't, was in fact made the butt of pranks and jokes because they appeared to be culturally backward.

[joewiggs]

Dr. Strange, here's an example of inappropriate behavior during the timber incident:

"in the timber that afternoon, Lt. Donald McIntosh, the commander of G Company, couldn't find his horse. So he took the mount private Samuel McCormick, who watched in despair as his superior officer, normally know for what Frederick Benteen called 'the slow poking way', galloped off with his horse."

Ironically, I believe that McCormick managed to survived while the Lieutenant was killed

[crazycanuck]

The backfire effect gets Lt.McIntosh,ironic indeed.Did he get what he deserved ? Some claimed "there is nothing lower than a horse thief",okay maybe some rat vermin or a snake.

[tbw]

I'm not sure where I read this at, and it might have been McIntosh, don't know. But one of the officers asked for a horse and the trooper offered him his.

[crazycanuck]

Trooper probably had an inferiority complex pounded in to him by the officers with the mentality that the officers should live and privates can die. Giddyup.

[tbw]

Dec 14, 2011 7:12:57 GMT -5 crazycanuck said:

Trooper probably had an inferiority complex pounded in to him by the officers with the mentality that the officers should live and privates can die. Giddyup.

Something Napoleonic about that, or was it Prussian? Kind of like a code of the west for grunt troopers I suppose. Either that or like Benteen atop the hill, he did what Reno, his superior, wanted him to do.... nothing.

[crazycanuck]

Aha TB the green grassy knoll and the faked moon landing aha. With regards to Kennedys head movement, after being hit FROM BEHIND, I can't comment, because I'm not a neurosurgeon able to ascertain Kennedy's reflexive head movement, but I have seen a chicken with it's head cut off, if that help's ?

[tbw]

Dec 15, 2011 6:58:23 GMT -5 crazycanuck said:

Aha TB the green grassy knoll and the faked moon landing aha. With regards to Kennedys head movement, after being hit FROM BEHIND, I can't comment, because I'm not a neurosurgeon able to ascertain Kennedy's reflexive head movement, but I have seen a chicken with it's head cut off, if that help's ?

I'm quite sure that any surgeon so qualified can easily read the following:

Actioni contrariam semper et æqualem esse reactionem: sive corporum duorum actiones in se mutuo semper esse æquales et in partes contrarias dirigi.

It doesn't take a numbskull doctor to tell me what the effects of a bullet do. Maybe a military man, maybe even a qualified scientist/physicist. But the day I start listening to a doctor tell me about bullet trajectories and what effects a bullet going about 2500 ft. per sec. do to defy the Newtons laws is the day I'll put one in my own head. But, "None Dare Call it Conspiracy."

As for the moon landings, your talking to someone who ought to know the truth. But then.... (aha) that's only if I want to share it. But, "None Dare Call it conspiracy."

[crazycanuck]

Whoa a whoa Elvis has just left the room,TB, are you poo pooing neurosurgeons credability with regards to the human brains nervous system? And do you think Obama faked his birth certificate and secretly holds dual citizenship thus making him ineligible for POTUS ?

[tbw]

I would rather poo hoo any Dr who thinks he's a scientist and tries to explain away Newton's laws of physics than poo hoo the scientist who stated the law. That bullet was travelling faster than mach 2 when it struck Kennedy and you're trying to tell me some Dr. thinks Kennedy's brain can react differently to its impact, inertia and all? Tell you what, lets donate your services and perform the same test, want to make any bets, no matter how smart your inert brain upon impact thinks it is, that it wont overcome Newton's 3rd law? This kind of smoke and mirror crap has been going on for years and its high time someone put those MD's practicing science in their place. They have about as much clout in ballistics and their effects as a common grunt does in performing brain surgery.

And where did the Obama crap come from? It makes no difference what I believe there. And quite frankly that is none of your business. But if you ask me anything about a fascist conspiracy involving some of our Presidents, maybe even including him, we might discuss that.

[cinnamon]

Kennedy was hit from behind, and from the fence. The shots came almost togheter, this is why he had such a bizarre jump right back to the left. If you carefully watch the Zapruder film, you will see that first the head move forward then back and to the left. Also, it simply was impossible to shot 3 times so fast by the lone "nut" with such an old toy. I also remember that even the Governative inquiry did find out that Kennedy was shot also by a gunman on the grassy knoll. The House Select Committee on Assassinations, concluded that "four shots, over a total period of 7.91 seconds were fired at the Presidential limousine. The first, second and fourth came from the Depository; the third from the Grassy Knoll."

Back to Custer's officers, I found no inferiority complex through all the pages the soldiers wrote. Neither I personally find it through what I know of the battle. I find cowardice, braveness, human faults, but no inferiority complexes.

[crazycanuck]

Thanks for the offer TB to partake in the test but I will pass .

[crazycanuck]

CNN where have you been man ? I said the private could of "probably" suffered from an inferiority complex considering the class system between officers and enlisted men at that time, at least some feeling of inferiority as a good percentage of our population does suffer in their lifes .CNN with due respect just because you didn't find any doesn't mean it was not their and you might need some training in psychanalysis to make those calls.

[cinnamon]

the same is said about you cc. The percentage of our population is one thing, the actions which were made at LBH, are a different matter. psychanalysis, was one of my first studies, CC.