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Post by joewiggs on Dec 16, 2011 21:08:00 GMT -5
The backfire effect gets Lt.McIntosh,ironic indeed.Did he get what he deserved ? Some claimed "there is nothing lower than a horse thief",okay maybe some rat vermin or a snake. Actually, I didn't see him as a "horse thief" rather, I saw him as an individual who was suddenly faced with an impossible situation and, in doing so, opted to escape as best as possible. Ironically, that very act resulted in his demise as a pin caught in the weeds and brush and disoriented the mount. Soon, surrounded by warriors, the unlucky Lt. quickly succumbed to a fate that was incongruous to anything he could have imagined. |
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Post by crazycanuck on Dec 17, 2011 7:15:11 GMT -5
Hello Jigs,then would it follow that Reno like McIntosh was faced with an impossible situation and in doing so opted to escape as best as possible from the timber and led the famous charge? Perhaps ?
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Post by joewiggs on Dec 17, 2011 11:00:19 GMT -5
I am so hurt, to think that you would try to trap me with my own words! For shame GCC  ! You believe you have me don't you?  . Well simply because you have tried to be a bad boy, here's the vital difference between the two: McIntosh's action resulted in one death;his own. The trooper who gave up his horse somehow managed to survive. Reno's action resulted in the death of so many more personnel; the 35 to 40 men lost in the "charge" and the river crossing; the subsequent demoralization of his surviving men and the men of Benteen who witnessed the total mental collapse of the Reno group which, in turn, affected them directly, which led to the pathetic foray toward the Custer killing field by the rag tag, mentally beaten troopers led by Weir. Also, Reno's action was directly responsibly for the cover -up during his inquiry which has been monumentally responsible for the submergence of "truth" of what really occurred promoted by the need of the survivors of the battle to justify their less than stalwart participation in the battle. As you can see, there is a tad bit of a difference between the two situations. |
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Post by crazycanuck on Dec 18, 2011 10:02:54 GMT -5
Ah don't be hurt Jigs I wouldn't play a childish reporter trick of I'VE GOTTCHA. As far as any Reno cover up he is doing some of it so the Custer clan don't railroad him as the goat and main reason for Custers failures at LBH,cause you know Jigs people will give you as much crap as you let them(Libbie comes to mind).No I don't see the "tad" difference between Reno and McIntosh saving themselves both as you say got in an impossible situation and opted to escape as best as possible. What's good for the goose Jigs should be good enough for the gander and one death can be as tragic as many.
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Post by crazycanuck on Dec 18, 2011 10:04:53 GMT -5
The girls like the "bad boy" Jigs !
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Post by joewiggs on Dec 18, 2011 11:13:49 GMT -5
The death of one can never be more tragic than the death of hundreds (excluding Our Lord Jesus Christ) as the mourning of the family of "one" is drowned out by the wails and suffering of hundreds of mourning families of the "many". The responsibility of the senior leader carries a heavier "weight" on the heart than the responsibility of the junior officer who oversees a lesser command than his superior;although the pain of both must be monumental. The shame of both men must weigh evenly upon their hearts for their failure to rise above their fears. I do not stand here as an accuser for I can not know what I would have done under the same circumstances. However, I would be remiss if I did not point out to you that there was no "Custer clan" at the Reno Inquiry that necessitated Reno's pathetic responses;you are simply in error regarding that point. Finally, the girls who like the "bad boys" have psychological issues that most men would not like to deal with.  |
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Post by stumblingbear on Dec 18, 2011 16:58:29 GMT -5
The girls like the "bad boy" Jigs ! Pleaseeeeeeee!  |
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Post by crazycanuck on Dec 18, 2011 19:07:29 GMT -5
How can you judge that one death is not as tragic as many? A world class humanitarian dies and forty reprobates die and the the forty deaths is more tragic ? Perhaps. As far as what is bad depends on what your definition of bad is ,mine may different than yours .One mans garbage can be anothers mans treasure so I won't judge. What you believe is good,right and moral is your opinion and remember it is your opinion. Nothing wrong with that. I believe in free speech.But I disagree with you on some of the above statements you made but does that make me a bad person ? Don't think so Jigs ! Long live free speech !
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Post by crazycanuck on Dec 18, 2011 19:33:20 GMT -5
Further to your comment that I was trying to be bad I will take as a compliment as someone who doesn't follow unwittingly like a sheep,both genders like that so pleeeeeassseeeeeeeeeee don't judge. No bad-a$$ mugs and T-shirts for you guys and gals.
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Post by crazycanuck on Dec 18, 2011 19:37:34 GMT -5
And get your minds out of the gutter unless you think someone who doesn't follow like sheep unwittingly is gutter material. Sheeeeeeeeeeesh you people ,sometimes I just don't understand you.
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Post by joewiggs on Dec 26, 2011 20:26:05 GMT -5
GCC, any death is tragic to those who loved he or she that expired. I apologize if I, inadvertently' proposed otherwise. My point was the realization of the horrific reality that "mass" killings are a stark reminder of the historically instituted, "Man's Inhumanity To Man."
When we read of the many of our American son's dying in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Viet-Nam we are horrified to a level of mortification that exceeds the death of the one individual who may have passed, comfortably, in his sleep or the elderly who enjoyed many years of life prior to passing. Somehow, regardless of the immense grief involved, the second example is more palpable.
In addition, when we send our sons and daughters off to war, we place then in the hands of what we pray to be professional superiors who will ensure that our loved ones will enjoy a reasonable chance of returning home safely.
How devastated are we upon realizing that a combat "leader" who has lost his or her intestinal fortitude during combat, leaves the wounded behind, looses further lives when stragglers (who had no idea that an escape has been initiated) are cut down while the "leader" frantically flees toward an entirely unknown situation rather than remain in a known situation. The incredible pain we experienced in the lost of one individual is grossly magnified by the numbers of numerous deaths, and the deplorable fact that many of these deaths could have been avoided had a "cooler head" been in charge.
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Post by Cutter on Dec 27, 2011 6:04:42 GMT -5
This thread reminds me of a "Fibber McGee and Molly" quote, " Mother nature makes up for a nugget sized brain with a bucket sized mouth." ;D
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Post by joewiggs on Dec 27, 2011 20:11:25 GMT -5
I swear I have never heard this saying before and I've been around the park a few times. ;D Funnnnnnnyyyy!!! ;D
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Post by whitebull on May 18, 2012 19:24:17 GMT -5
Cutter I know you will be back when you get back just Make it quick! I miss the humor. |
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! You believe you have me don't you? 
. Well simply because you have tried to be a bad boy, here's the vital difference between the two:
