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Post by tbw on May 19, 2012 5:47:19 GMT -5
According to the orders given to Benteen he was to quote, "pitch in". The very essence of those orders, in fact, revolves around that one small phrase. Terminology is the hub of understanding this battle. And like other words and phrases of the time, it would have and did have significant meaning to purpose of Custer's intent in those orders so given to Benteen. Did those words "pitch in" mean attack? I've always thought so. And basically understood his orders in that context. But I think those words go further to explain the known situation than what most believe today. The mere word attack implies what when substituted for those words. But those exact words, "pitch in" means what exactly to that situation when those orders were given?
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Post by joewiggs on May 19, 2012 14:43:38 GMT -5
absolutely! the meaning of words and the value of words sometimes morph with the passing of time and cease to exist also
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Today "pitch in" could mean give me a hand, help me, assist me, etc. I believe that the term in Custer's day (and because of the manner it was used) rendered the meaning as more forceful and to the point;immediate!
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Post by whitebull on Jun 3, 2012 16:55:04 GMT -5
Benteen had to be in denial half the time because it seems to me that he didn't understand anything around him because he was to busy hating. What did he think Custer was doing when he sent him left, according to the trial he had no idea! Of course he knew. All the soldiers knew the camp was suppose to be in the area of the Big horn river which was in a valley. Now tell me why Benteen would think he could have gone on forever in a straight line when he knew he was looking for a great big valley!
Did anyone notice that Benteen was the only group that did not have a doctor? Maybe because he was expected by Custer to round up people trying to escape, runner, women and children maybe heading down the valley while Custer and Reno did the dirty work. that would have put Benteen in a bad mood.
Now if i could figure this out why couldn't Benteen? The man goofed, thought he was all that and later, tried to cover his tracks. Now that's what I think!
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Post by joewiggs on Feb 22, 2013 19:57:28 GMT -5
One, belated, additional thought to the term "Pitch In." I believe that Custer so trusted and believed in Benteen's combat ability that he was actually deferring to a respected combat leader to "pitch in" and do what ever is necessary to accomplish the mission,regardless of what that may be! I trust you to take care of business because I know you can!
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Post by joewiggs on Feb 24, 2013 9:54:23 GMT -5
Benteen had to be in denial half the time because it seems to me that he didn't understand anything around him because he was to busy hating. What did he think Custer was doing when he sent him left, according to the trial he had no idea! Of course he knew. All the soldiers knew the camp was suppose to be in the area of the Big horn river which was in a valley. Now tell me why Benteen would think he could have gone on forever in a straight line when he knew he was looking for a great big valley! Did anyone notice that Benteen was the only group that did not have a doctor? Maybe because he was expected by Custer to round up people trying to escape, runner, women and children maybe heading down the valley while Custer and Reno did the dirty work. that would have put Benteen in a bad mood. Now if i could figure this out why couldn't Benteen? The man goofed, thought he was all that and later, tried to cover his tracks. Now that's what I think! I guess it is a sad post script concerning the relationship between the two men. I believe that Custer's confidence In Benteen was well grounded as Benteen was a more than credible fighter, however, Benteen's contempt for Custer was so substantial that the Generals orders were continuously second-guessed by Benteen. In this case, the result was fatal. |
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Post by joewiggs on Dec 24, 2013 20:47:33 GMT -5
Sitting Bull vowed to give Wakan Tanka a "scarlet blanket" at the Sun dance festival: fifty pieces of flesh from each arm!
gosh, that must of hurt!
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Post by stumblingbear on Dec 28, 2013 16:57:20 GMT -5
"Mniwoncha"
The lakota believed that the first White man had come from the sea which was called Mniwoncha. Now this had to be information that was handed down from the time of the colonies.
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