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Post by joewiggs on Oct 12, 2012 16:35:03 GMT -5
I hope this thread does not get me into trouble but, I have been fascinated by this "battle" Lo, these many years. Now, before I begin let me take a moment to counter the "naysayers" who would suggest that a battle between Sauron and the inhabitants of Middle Earth did not occur; who cares?
The vital message that should be derived is that evil has challenged good since the dawn of time. when the first cave man utilized a club to defend himself from large and ferocious predators, he used a similar club to strike and kill an opponent;usually to take what did not belong to him.
EA (he who sang the song of the beginning) created the First born (elves) as well as their younger bretthen:Man. The Valar were powerful entities subject to the will of Ea. The Maia were their subordinates/servants who maintain an ideology of kindness to the dwarves, Men, and Elves. Sadly, the powerful Valar, Sauron, rebelled against Ea and subject Middle earth to untold pain and misery.
Does this not remind us of the fall of Lucifer who, subsequently, tempted and force man into similar situations as did Sauron.
The War of the Rings came to an end but, the war of the earth continues......
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Post by joewiggs on Dec 27, 2012 12:01:34 GMT -5
Of all of the characters created by Tolkien, Tom Bombadil and his wife seem, to me, to be most enigmatic. Tom could hold the "One Ring" yet, not be influenced to possess it. Frodo puts the ring on his finger, yet, Tom can still see him. How may these irregularities be explained.
Who was Tom and how does he figure in the coming of the War of the Rings?
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Post by stumblingbear on Dec 30, 2012 20:13:34 GMT -5
Tom was not seduced by the ring so he must have been a Maia at least. No human could have resisted as he did.
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Post by joewiggs on Jun 2, 2013 10:40:49 GMT -5
True! The deadliest power of the "One Ring" was it's ability to corrupt any human and/or similar form of life. Even Randolph was wary of it. Tom, on the other hand, was jovial, light hearted and amused at Frodo's frantic reaction to Tom's laggardly handling of the powerful ring.
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Post by whitebull on Jun 2, 2013 18:50:28 GMT -5
No offense Joe but what does this have to do with a real battle! We have been talking about what is real, not fantasy, right?
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Post by tbw on Jun 3, 2013 21:49:44 GMT -5
No offense Joe but what does this have to do with a real battle! We have been talking about what is real, not fantasy, right? I wouldn't be to sure of that. If you would care to check the other boards like this, you will find they love attaching greater weight and significance to something that is fantasy about the BLBH than they do to hear something that is the truth. I guess you could call it the erotic need to pervert the truth than to find it. I'm quite sure Joe has his reasons for starting this thread, and if comparisons could be made at this point, I'll take this thread to the crap put up by other forums where the posters would be better equipped to discuss which comic book hero could whip the other's butt better. They have sunk to an all time low. One is a one man circus. The other is ran by a slew of modern military types who have not one clue what was done back in 1876, how it was done and have little if any interest in finding out other than their opinion. They leave all reason behind and blindly charge Custer with all kinds of malfeasance on that battlefield, to include incomplete orders to Reno and Benteen. And the answer is? At one point during one of Curley's interviews he stated that Custer had the trumpets sounding the whole time. And it confused him as to why. Each platoon of each company of each battalion had call signals by those trumpets, what to do, when to do it and where. There was even a simple semaphore code system by flags in use at the time. They were asked at the COI about the firing. They were not asked about hearing the trumpets from Gen. Custer's command. Had they been asked. And an answer of "Yes they did hear them" returned. They would have been asked if their call signals were heard amongst them... and... the gig would have been up. |
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Post by joewiggs on Jun 7, 2013 18:48:48 GMT -5
No offense Joe but what does this have to do with a real battle! We have been talking about what is real, not fantasy, right? I wouldn't be to sure of that. If you would care to check the other boards like this, you will find they love attaching greater weight and significance to something that is fantasy about the BLBH than they do to hear something that is the truth. I guess you could call it the erotic need to pervert the truth than to find it. I'm quite sure Joe has his reasons for starting this thread, and if comparisons could be made at this point, I'll take this thread to the crap put up by other forums where the posters would be better equipped to discuss which comic book hero could whip the other's butt better. They have sunk to an all time low. One is a one man circus. The other is ran by a slew of modern military types who have not one clue what was done back in 1876, how it was done and have little if any interest in finding out other than their opinion. They leave all reason behind and blindly charge Custer with all kinds of malfeasance on that battlefield, to include incomplete orders to Reno and Benteen. And the answer is? At one point during one of Curley's interviews he stated that Custer had the trumpets sounding the whole time. And it confused him as to why. Each platoon of each company of each battalion had call signals by those trumpets, what to do, when to do it and where. There was even a simple semaphore code system by flags in use at the time. They were asked at the COI about the firing. They were not asked about hearing the trumpets from Gen. Custer's command. Had they been asked. And an answer of "Yes they did hear them" returned. They would have been asked if their call signals were heard amongst them... and... the gig would have been up. Again, you have hit the proverbial "nail" on the head!!! When posters arrive at a personal "disposition" of what occurred during the Little Big Horn battle and, then, become offended when others dispute these claims; reality becomes as mythical and improbable as fantasy. it is a wonder of life to have your own view points, also to substantiate them, and believe in them in earnest but...don't act as though any other possibility is impossible and please don't view a "difference of opinion" as an underhanded, personal attack!. |
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Post by stumblingbear on Jun 8, 2013 10:48:48 GMT -5
In a round about way, the story helps us to understand the reason war has become such a important part of our lives. The same greed that motivated Sauron is very similar to the same greed that created the "Indian Wars" which were actually the "Indian Slaughter."  |
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Post by whitebull on Jun 9, 2013 9:51:48 GMT -5
Lady, I just got to be honest. I just can't wrap Sauron and sitting Bull around my head at the same time but, I'll sure keep trying.  |
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Post by joewiggs on Jun 9, 2013 17:35:51 GMT -5
WB, you are man of character and honesty!  |
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Post by whitebull on Jun 9, 2013 18:44:34 GMT -5
Thanks partner! Right back at ya!
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