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[Cutter]

On you tube search for "CusterApollo".
There is a documentary that I stumbled on a few months
back. A fellow walks the battle field. Haven't seen it mentioned on any of the Custer boards. If y'all haven't seen it, it is worth the time.

[tbw]

I haven't seen this one. But the internet lately has been so "buggy" that i'm spooked at going anywhere but here! But i'll take a look see and get back....

[Cutter]

I hope you find the time to watch. It is the most indepth documentary I've seen to date. Utube is an excellent soarce of things visial on LBH.

[Cutter]

I download and burn to disk the items find on utube. If you have problems with the net, I will send copies, and /or start a library.

[Cutter]

From what I can gather, material gathered from utube are ok to distribute. I've got a good colection for private use. Some selections take more then one watch, but that's just me. I understand about copyright problem. Since visual information is more useful to me, I do have a seed "library" to help seed the boards stock.

[tbw]

I am interested in what you offer Cutter. I am however a little reluctant at this point to pursue it further until we learn of the legal ramifications. I am at this point firing off several emails and looking personally into the matter. If you could be of assistance and find anything said at u-tube about 'copyright' infringements or some such legal problems with copying them and then offering them for 'resale' - This may clear up some of the problems.

I do know that the music industry guards their song copyrights very seriously. And it seems unbelievable that the movie industry does not. I can understand letting people copy it for 'for their own personal use'. But what may not be allowable is releasing it to a 3rd party 'under any circumstances', sale or otherwise.

As I said. I'm not refusing your fine offer. At this time, we will look into the matter fully and see what can be legally done, not just from the standpoint of copyrights, but from the standpoint of 'proboards' TOS. Meanwhile sit tight, find out what you can, and we'll see what happens.

Thanks
Dennis

[Cutter]

I'll take care of it. I've spent alot of time cruising the net for visiuls. In the mean time, I'll post the web address's to the vidios as Melini suggested. My thinking was that maybe some members may not have a fast enough connection to see the material properly.

[joewiggs]

I saw a portion of "Little Big Man" before work this morning and, was very impressed with the film. It had been such a long time since I saw it last that I had forgotten how well done the film proved to be. The chief Indian characters are described as belonging to a tribe known as the "Human Beings" which made it possible for many a poignant "message" to be picked up by the viewer.

Of course, Custer was portrayed as paranoid, egotistical, butcher of Indians and horses. To say the least, a stretched of truth beyond any credibility.

Custer fan or no, I recommend that everyone see it again. I'm glad I did.

[tbw]

LBM, now there's a movie I haven't seen in a long time. It was well done. Although a bit dated because of the way Custer was portrayed. One supposes that some day someone will get it right. Think about it, Wouldn't it be better to have a movie about betrayal and the collusion that followed than to keep writing that same well worn script over and over again? Heck, because no one really knows, how the heck would anyone ever suspect that what a movie producer did with some of the speculation put out over the internet and really jazzed it up a bit, could make it a hit movie and still at the same time get it right. Wouldn't that be a horse of a different color and a pleasure to watch? Instead all we get is that same well worn trail, with the same well worn Reno and Benteen scripts inserted that would never tell the truth of the matter if their lives and careers depended upon it, and the truth of it was... it did.

[Cutter]

I thought a movie based on what each guidon carrier saw. That first person camera stuff.

[tbw]

Cutter, if those movie directors had you, me, Joe or Melani to help them I'm quite confident that they story would be told very different, and much more interesting than what it has been, and it would do so much better than the last one, so much so that it might even earn someone an Oscar or two.

[melani]

I believe LBM was filmed right near the actual battlefield, on Real Bird land. And Dennis, thanks for your faith in our ability to correct the historical record on film, but don't hold your breath. A couple of years ago I was working the Keogh Trail when an enthusiastic and pretty well-informed young movie producer came along. He told us about his upcoming LBH movie (hasn't appeared so far!), and said it was going to be more historically accurate than anything else so far. Then he added that of course he was going to have to send Bloody Knife to die with Custer instead of Reno. We pointed out that that wasn't exactly historically accurate, and that the death of Bloody Knife next to Reno was one of the more well-known incidents of the battle. He said that it was artistically necessary, to highlight the close personal friendship between Custer and Bloody Knife. I believe I tried to tell him that while Bloody Knife may have been Custer's favorite scout, they didn't exactly hang out together, and BK didn't speak English, nor Custer Arikara. In fact, what Custer admired about BK was that he gave Custer a lot of lip whenever he felt it necessary. A friend has pointed out BK's expression in that picture of him and Custer and (Ludlow?) with the dead grizzly--she said BK had actually killed the thing. Kind of a hoot. The producer simply wasn't having any, and insisted that his whole story hung on their close warm friendship. Right.

[tbw]

Well, one supposes that to do it right that they would have to hire all 4 of us. The absolute knowns most likely should not be sacrificed, Bloody Knife being one of those - for sure. There is alot more to tell than the brotherhood of an Indian and Custer. Cutter's suggestion of using the guidon carriers carries a lot of weight in this regard. Likewise the complete story cannot be told without Curley, Martin, Kanipe, or Goldin. Take one of these accounts out of the picture is like removing Bloody Knife from Reno's valley fight. Call them all liars and cherry pick what they said and what have we? The same thing we've had for over 130 years... the same old Myth, 2nd verse. Nothing new to see here folks... move along...

[melani]

Well, ya gotta edit somewhere, or the movie would be longer than the battle!

[tbw]

True, but how much did those guys have to say or do? And what was going on while they were doing it? It's true, i'm no director, nor do I pretend to be one, nor know what the in's and out's of directing are, but all I was suggesting was an advisory role from someone in the know. No, not someone who had written a book, but from someone like yourself, Cutter or Joe who has the capacity to advise them on certain segments of the film that would make it very interesting indeed!