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Post by cinnamon on Feb 20, 2011 11:08:18 GMT -5
Kanipe supposedly was told near Reno Hill to tell Mcdougall to come quick, a big camp and bring packs and if any packs come loose cut them off, and come straight overland. Martinis message probably written Medicine Coulee by Cooke was about the same. "Benteen come on. big village.be quick. bring packs w.w. cooke p.s. bring packs" To me these messages don't sound urgent, Custer is under no fear at this time, but is thinking hey what the heck Benteen and Mcdougall, "if you guys aren't to busy over there, come on over this way, and by the way could you come quickly and bring some packs there is a big village here, you know just in case I have to use some ammo and I quess I can let you in on some action since I Custer will get all the recognition having found all the Indians.I might need some help so get over here you guys". This just my opinion that the be quick and bring packs aren't urgent. I would of used different lanquage if I wanted these guys right now.Hey and no mention of Renos activites. What gives ? Custer poor communication. Not urgent. No danger but quick. Custer words seems to mean an impending action, not the action, but that something iss going to happen and all the outfit is needed. Look at Cooke words. Carefully please: there is an option that nobody here pointed out. |
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Post by crazycanuck on Feb 20, 2011 11:32:32 GMT -5
How is this for some wind ? Cooke says be quick once and bring packs twice in note which indicates to me that Custer was thinking "I Custer don't really need your manpower over here that quickly Benny and Dougy, only the firepower packs, so when you guys get here, just give me the packs, and go sit over there on that knoll, and watch an admire, as I Custer take care of this village with a patented Custer move and don't stand in front of Kellog and blocked his view ". Was the 25th a bright sunny day or was that the golden luster radiating off of Custers brigthness and greatness ? Probably both, I quess that is debateable as well.. hmmm bright day,radiation off of Custers greatness or both ?
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Post by cinnamon on Feb 20, 2011 12:04:11 GMT -5
If this is the level of your conversation, okay. Enough.
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Post by crazycanuck on Feb 20, 2011 12:52:29 GMT -5
"Suspended in air" wasn't my comment.
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Post by tbw on Feb 20, 2011 13:04:29 GMT -5
CC,
Before a flame war erupts here over something quite benign, take a good look at your posts and cinn's response.
He could have said words to inflame, like "hot" etc. he did not. And I don't pretend to speak for him in any way, but I do speak for myself and my interpretation of what I think he meant. Where most people get into trouble is not backing up their statements with some kind of evidence in the record, and I know thats what I was certainly looking for, and I can quite imagine that is what cinnamon was looking for too when he wrote those words, otherwise its just your opinion, ie. "Suspended in air" without any recorded proof.
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Post by joewiggs on Feb 20, 2011 13:30:03 GMT -5
C.C. Old Friend, I have never understood and, I guess, never will understand why Custer's message has been the target for excessive allegations ofbeing such a form of poor communication. it wasn't that bad of a message.  The message was clear and concise excluding the post scrip. Directed to:Benteen, Order: hurry- bring packs, PS: bring packs. Post script was an attempt to add emphasis on ammunition packs because the fight was on. In his haste, Cooke left out the word "ammunition" as he did on the first try. If Benteen did not have his head up his buttocks there may not have been a problem. However, the argument is moot, Benteen did not bring or hurry anything to Custer's position as ordered. He went to Reno and sat. |
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Post by crazycanuck on Feb 20, 2011 14:02:15 GMT -5
That is correct TBW it was my OPINION. I didn't say it was backed with facts. I think he was being derogatory and having a hissy fit and so he huffs and puffs out of the sight NOT BEING PRIVY TO SUCH bad or should I say silly opinion comments about Custer ... oh my dear. Pretty clear to me what he meant by the condescending "I'm full of air". Of course you can see he started it. No big deal,you can explain it away any you want. He never did answer about Custers total disregard for Reno being sent down the valley where no one not even Custer knew when and where the support would come from. And no one can excuse that one away especially the wiped out five companies . Maybe it just is so plainly obvious of Custers blunders people are looking to blame others for intellectual entertainment when the blame is in front of there noses. Don't want to pick on a dead man syndrome kick .Just my opinion mind you.
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Post by crazycanuck on Feb 20, 2011 14:04:27 GMT -5
True Joe, but maybe Benteen knows better to stay with Reno. End of story so to speak.
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Post by crazycanuck on Feb 20, 2011 14:20:55 GMT -5
His comment that my opinion is "suspended in air" is a subtle way ( I'm sure in his mind) of kindly (no, on second thought, not so kindly) telling me that I'm full of air and he is to good for this drivel,thus his overly dramatic I'm outta of here exit stage left(Oscars just around the corner ... it is never to late). " I don't agree with a word he is saying but I will defend to the death his right to say it" or exit stage left. But apparently he doesn't.
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Post by cinnamon on Feb 20, 2011 16:24:42 GMT -5
Listen crazy canuck, you have to remember that english is not my mother language, I am italian and sometimes what I translate literally in english sounds wrong to english speakers without I get it. The sense of my "suspended in air" was that you are talking of things as if they were supported by evidences, that you are categorically claiming things against Custer without evidences. Things that are just supposed, you put them down as if they were universally recognized truths. That's what I ment with "suspended in air". I am a gentleman, not an arrogant a***** used to offending others. So I started nothing at all. You started all, with your impulsiveness: have you asked me what I was meaning with my words? No. If you would have done, there would have been no mistakes between us. And don't take me wrong, I am not going away from here at all, I just don't want to goes on with someone answering the way you do, full of sarcasm, while I am just willing to share my knowledge - if I have at all.
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Post by crazycanuck on Feb 20, 2011 17:51:14 GMT -5
Fair enough Cinnamon, I didn't think I was sarcastic to you. Sarcasm wants to put people down with praise like ridicule for example when I say Custer radiates more than the sun the day of the 25th when to me he didn't(my opinion) I'm being sarcastic towards Custer which I'm alright with. Satire wants to expose vices or follies,ideas,individuals like yourself,myself,it's too late for Custer but not others. I think Custers follies should be exposed, so that people can learn,change ,be more open minded and correct themselves if they see fit . If I am full of opinions there should be nothing wrong with that. A fact is something that is true or false and an opinion is what somebody believes to be true not backed with facts.We all have opinions, and if mine sound to you that I think I'm talking like all my statements are facts,well I think you are wrong. Maybe you don't like my opinons ,and that's okay with me. I don't have an axe to grind with anyone. I do come across to my dear wife now and then as being holier than thou . She grounds me with her sarcasm or satire reminding me of course what do you expect from a saint. I forgive you Cinnamon... oops I'm being saintly . And don't forget I'm a sergeant and you a lowly corporal. Be careful or TBW will make a private.
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Post by cinnamon on Feb 21, 2011 4:14:51 GMT -5
you see CC, I have nothing to be forgiven for. Not by you, however. I have nothing against different ideas , but I like them based on facts - or having roots on facts, at least when those opinions are trying to demolishing an historical character. If they're not, and they're along with sarcasm, they are offensive or tending to be arrogants. Ask yourself why you're not the only one having a poor opinion on Custer but you're the only one to create quarrels with it.
I think here nobody needs sarcasm, but just talking about the battle and share our views and knowledge (again, for how little this knowledge may be). I'm here just because I thought this forum has this task. This is my last word on this subject.
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Post by crazycanuck on Feb 21, 2011 7:23:37 GMT -5
Again " I disagree with the words you just said but I will defend to the death your right to say them " You are certainly entitled to your viewpoint and it takes two start a quarrel and you are not as innocent as you are saying.
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Post by cinnamon on Feb 21, 2011 7:31:38 GMT -5
just look back at your posts. You misunderstood me and started the quarrel onto your wrong perceptions.
I was then seriously asking you to carefully read Cooke words, because I have a theory I will explain in my book and need to see if others here arrives to my conclusions. And yes, I am fully innocent as I am saying. If I have to say someone something bad, I don't hide myself, I tell him in his face. That's part of me. As a man. As a gentleman.
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Post by crazycanuck on Feb 21, 2011 9:00:36 GMT -5
Explain to me that this claim is "suspended in air" . Custer " sent Reno blindly chasing forty Indians " Did Custer know what was around the bend ? Did Custer tell Reno where and when exactly he would support Reno ? Did Custer scout the village to know there were more warriors per tent than ever before ? The answers in my opinion are no and no and no he did not. So where are the facts that Custer knew exactly what Reno was riding into ? They don't exist. Where are the facts that Custer will support Reno here and at this time ? They don't exist.So I don't think my comments are suspended in air and this is truly the last word . You may have last word.Enjoy the day.
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The message was clear and concise excluding the post scrip.